Richard Nixon, Edward Hebert
White House Telephone
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President Nixon: Yeah?
White House Operator: Congressman [F. Edward] Hebert [D-Louisiana]. There you are.
President Nixon: Hello?
F. Edward Hebert: That was a lulu today.1
President Nixon: Yeah, I wanted to tell you that was a great job you did. Everybody tells me you really smacked them.
Hebert: Well, I appreciate it.
President Nixon: Well, and--”
Hebert: Appreciate your call.
President Nixon: And you--”
Hebert: You know they didn't come within 100 votes of us?
President Nixon: I just couldn't believe it.
Hebert: I couldn't believe it either.
President Nixon: When I heard it that we got over 90, I mean, over a 90 majority--”
Hebert: We beat them bigger on the ABM∇ [Anti-Ballistic Missile] this year than we beat them last year--”
President Nixon: Yeah, that's terrific.
Hebert: --”and the final passage was 335, I think, to--”331 to 58.
President Nixon: Great.
Hebert: Not a single amendment. The only amendments that were put on were the two we put on, two committee amendments.
President Nixon: Right.
Hebert: And we beat them down on everything they tried.
President Nixon: Right, that's great.
Hebert: Beat them down on the B-1, we--”everything.2
President Nixon: That's really great. Well, that's a marvelous job.
Hebert: Well, it was nice of you to call me.
President Nixon: Well, that's great, that's great.
Hebert: And I do appreciate it a lot.
President Nixon: Well, that's--”we've got to fight for the right things, you know?
Hebert: [Laughs.] We've got to fight, boy.
President Nixon: You know, after our experience--”
Hebert: [Laughs.] We can write a book.
President Nixon: After our experience, I was just thinking of the shameful New York Times thing of what we went through so many years ago.
President Nixon: I was just wondering, you know, what in the world do responsible publishers think about to put out trunkloads of secret documents?
Hebert: It's getting worse everyday.
President Nixon: It's awful, isn't it?
Hebert: It's getting awful. I mean, there's no responsibility.
President Nixon: I mean, and it's, I mean, as I said, it's no skin off--”from a political standpoint, it's no skin off our back.
Hebert: Oh, I think as far as this latest thing that's happened [it's] in your favor.
President Nixon: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, we get no comfort out of that. It would destroy the presidency.
Hebert: It can hurt somebody and the next guy coming along.
President Nixon: That's what they're trying to do, too.
Hebert: That's exactly what they're trying to do. [Unclear.]
President Nixon: Yeah, yeah. We'll fight it all the way. And I'm telling you, I told [Attorney General John N.] Mitchell∇, by God, we're going to find--”we think we know the guy that did this. He's a fellow that worked--”this Ellsberg∇3 who worked in the Defense Department, and by golly we're going to get him and he's going to go to jail.
Hebert: That's the only thing to do to with him.
President Nixon: That's right. He's got to go to jail for this.
Hebert: It's the only thing to do.
President Nixon: That's right.
Hebert: Well, [unclear] anyway [unclear].
President Nixon: [Chuckles.] Good to see you, Eddie.
Hebert: Got to see my colleague, bring [unclear] along with me all the time.
President Nixon: All right. OK.
President Nixon: Bye.
Hebert: Thanks a lot for calling.