Wednesday, April 7, 1971 - 10:28pm - 10:32pm
Richard Nixon, Rose Mary Woods
White House Telephone


President Nixon: Yeah?

Operator: Miss Woods, sir.

Rose Mary Woods: Hi.

President Nixon: Rose, I just wanted to be sure that— I did talk to Agnew. So I did that.

Woods: OK. Now, let me tell you a couple of other people [unclear] back my notes here.

President Nixon: Hobe Lewis did not call so I [unclear].

Woods: Ah, yes he did, but you were eating. And he said you didn't have to call him. All he wanted was for you to know how great he thought it was. [Unclear comment by President Nixon.] Yeah, he called back, but you were eating or something. They didn't want to bother you.

President Nixon: Well—

Woods: And I talked with him again and he was, he's just so thrilled by it all.

President Nixon: He really is, huh?

Woods: Yeah. Just thought it was marvelous.

President Nixon: What thrilled him? What thrilled him, the conclusion? I suppose.

Woods: And—pardon me? At the conclusion and at the whole thing. And Governor [Nelson A.] Rockefeller called.

President Nixon: Called you?

Woods: Yup.

President Nixon: That's nice.

Woods: And he said he just wanted to call up having watched the program. He thought it was tremendously able handling of a very, very difficult situation.

President Nixon: That's nice.

Woods: You had the courage to stick with your basic principles. These are tough times.

President Nixon: Mmm-hmm.

Woods: And he just wanted you to know he thought it was absolutely splendid. Then he gave me his private number in New York. He said you didn't need to call him, but he gave me the number where he was calling from—

President Nixon: I'd better do that.

Woods: —to say that you were great.

President Nixon: I'd better call him.

Woods: OK. I'll give the operator the number.

President Nixon: Fine, and tell her to return that.

Woods: Yeah.

President Nixon: Right.

Woods: Then Jack Drown called and he was terribly cute.

President Nixon: Of course he is.

Woods: He waited 20 minutes on the line.

President Nixon: Yeah.

Woods: He thought it was marvelous, that everything was just, you know—

President Nixon: That's nice.

Woods: —really great.

President Nixon: Well, he's a great friend.

Woods: Oh, he is a good friend. You know. He told me he saw [Spiro] Agnew today. Poor old Fred Schroeder, bless his heart, called me.

President Nixon: Yeah.

Woods: He thought you were marvelous. Freeman Gosden called.

President Nixon: What'd he say?

Woods: He said, “I just, uh, wish you would tell the president that that was the most sincere and effective talk that he has made in a long, long time.”

President Nixon: Huh.

Woods: He said it was the soft sell.

President Nixon: Mmm-hmm.

Woods: He thought that—

President Nixon: I might call him back.

Woods: He said, “I, frankly, ended up with a tear in my eye.”

President Nixon: Yeah. May call him back, because he's a real pro.

Woods: He talked with a couple of people who felt the same way. Now you know, I don't know whether you know because I'd [unclear]. He's been ill.

President Nixon: Oh.

Woods: We've sent him a couple of letters—

President Nixon: I'll call him.

Woods: —and tonight is one of the first nights he's out, and he's at Floyd Ablum's.

President Nixon: Fine. [Unclear.]

Woods: For dinner.

President Nixon: Put a call through to him.

Woods: All right, I'll tell him.

President Nixon: And a call through to Rockefeller.

Woods: Mmm-hmm.

President Nixon: Good.

Woods: OK. And Jim Bassett called me. He's here in town. He was out at the Mazos'.

President Nixon Oh, yeah. Have him come in and say hello tomorrow, will you?

Woods: OK.

President Nixon: No, tomorrow at noon, you know, in the noon hour, I want to say hello to him, because he's never been in the office when I've been there and he should be.

Woods: Oh, yes? I didn't realize that. He thought it was very good and he thought that the comments afterwards were, you know—

President Nixon: Mmm-hmm.

Woods: He thought you really, you know, even with the people who would be hatchet-type people, he thought you did a good job.

President Nixon: Well tell—have Jim come in, you know how we do at noon—

Woods: Yeah.

President Nixon: —and he's to come in, because he's got—he's never been in the president's office when I've been there and goddamn it, he deserves it—

Woods: OK.

President Nixon: because he was with us in the tough—

Woods: You know, the other thing he said? He said—he asked me to tell you that he felt that it was really great, and that part of the charm and the greatness of the whole thing [was] that it was not oversold in advance.

[Indistinct voices can be heard in the background.]

President Nixon: No, that's right.

Woods: He thinks this is terribly important. He wanted me to pass that on.

President Nixon: You're right. We didn't.

Woods: Yeah.

President Nixon: We didn't oversell the damn thing.

Woods: OK, well, now, you don't need to talk with Hobe, do you?

President Nixon: Bob Hope?

Woods: No, Hobe Lewis.

President Nixon: Oh, yes, yes, I think—

Woods: All right, I'll tell him and Governor Rockefeller —

President Nixon: [talking over Woods] Damn he's been, been so good. So good.

Woods: And Freeman Gosden.

President Nixon: Bob Hope. OK. Thank you.

Woods: All right. Fine. Fine.

Original tape courtesy of the Nixon Library. This transcript is a working draft. Please let us know if you find important errors.